This gives him the inner support, the calm appearance in the deficiency, the sure success and thus an increased enthusiasm and love for the profession. Is wird daher fr alle Polizeibeamten, die mit dem Inhalt des Buches vertraut sind, ein leichtes sein, sich auch in der vorliegenden Reubearbeitung ohne Schwierigteit zurechtzusinden. Note: Black scabbard & frog is city. Since this ammo is rare, it is considered to be collectible ammunition. section slot then, 2) inserting Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, clearly indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example and not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded ERMA made muzzle protector. Some of the Police guns are reported with DWM toggles; these do not appear in any recognizable pattern. By the 19th century, disputes over the use of Fraktur or Antigua typeface became more heated and lasted until the middle of the 20th century. As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. It is a matter of common courtesy to credit the past authors/collectors that for the last three decades have discussed the 29 DWM Lugers in the s, t and u suffix serial range. Receiver proof, some 1920 Military and Police Lugers. August Weiss states further that the 'Riff' lot was produced by DWM late 1927 - early 1928. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. This would account for the Luftwaffe acceptance stamp. Police Lugers is a work of research by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker that has taken innumerable hours over five years to tell the tale of the history and evolution of the police in Germany, specifically about their usage of the German P08 (Luger pistol). II. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. During the Weimar Era, German police power remained decentralized. DWM "1920" Date Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig Fixed sights, with "1920" on the chamber, Weimar-era proofs on the barrel and receiver, and a pair of police safeties installed (sear safety present but weak, magazine safety disabled). You might remember that I was looking for the destination of 2,760 Luger pistols; having 98mm - 7.65mm barrels that came from Berlin to Oberndorf. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced, both with the intent of identifying the markings. Additionally, hand written in pencil on the wooden cover is Fehrenbach, which is an area in Germany. 3. eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, Yes it DWM marked but without a chamber date. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in ad[4]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/oldbrigade.jpg'; back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. document.write(''). It worked through various Weapon no. Der Mangel an einschlgigen Fachbchern ift oft betlagt worden. Pictured are two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle and multiple views of the subject Police holster, being view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. In a typical attempt to demonstrate its political autonomy, the federal It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. ERFURT LUGER 1920/1917 POLICE REWORK - C40363 9mm; 96% blue, 40% straw, very good bore, good grips, 4'' barrel, This is a Police reworked pistol. the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. The first modification was from an artillery holster to a police holster in the early to mid-1920s by cutting back to a P.08, 4-inch barrel length and is the first example not to add a toe plug, but instead by closing out or terminating the holster body toe like a standard P.08 holster. links[3]='http://www.marnamilitaria.com'; a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. Thanks. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. Condition:--not specified . German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was Still, however, somewhat refutes his prior reportedly statements, five years later in Weimar Lugers 1993 on page 181, Figure 47a text caption where he dismisses the (carry) use of the police cleaning rods with cut-back artillery Luger holsters where he states that: These (police cleaning) rods probably remained in Army or police stations as the brass stop prevents them for fitting in holsters. Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. collar assembly to be aligned with forward main Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. The subject pictured, aftermarket LOB Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, stamped on the flat with P08 and a stick wing Nazi proof is a different variation from the ERMA stamped muzzle protector pictured on page 174, Figure 28b of Third Reich Lugers. Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), In the manual is pictured the P.08 Luger on pages 17 and 26. 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. Wissen ist Macht, das gilt fr jeden, der im ffentlichen Leben steht und vorwrstsstrebt, besonders aber fr die Polizeibeamten, da ihn sein Beruf tglich und stundlich in engste Berhrung mit der Bevlterung bringt. It was Collectors tend to err toward a variation 2 style ERMA made and marked muzzle protector that is, interestingly a different mechanical design than the above, variation 1 spring tension muzzle protector that attaches to the barrel with a one-step process by sliding, then rotating clockwise, over the barrel sight band/blade assembly, then released in detent, held in place by spring tension. 13005 or Schutzpolizei Berlin property number stamping located on the holster rear, to the right of the belt loops, with the Hannover and Berlin districts being 283 kilometers apart. the ministry's Official Directory provides clear, concise and easy-to-understand information to the police officers about their own rights and duties and how they are to deal with the daily demands of the service. Three are police. links[7]='https://www.marnamilitaria.com'; (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. The holster was obtained with a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft Sunburst S (1932-36), specifically made to be used with police Lugers. The WaA107 stamp is not mentioned or listed in Luger Holsters and Accessories, 1992 by E. Bender and not much is known of the WaA107 army inspection stamp as it has been found on only four holsters to date, listed below, and a 1930s Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector: Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866 with an additional, unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. subcommissions and left Germany during January 1927. It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, however, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:15, Post The new Freistaat Preuen style eagle was adopted as the emblem of the Preuen Schutzpolizei, (Prussian Protection Police) and the Preuen Kommunalpolizei, (Prussian Local/Municipal Police) and was utilized on their belt buckles. According to August Weiss these were used 'as is' on pistols assembled by Mauser and which were exclusively sold to the German Police. They appear to fall into two categories: P08s that always were P08s and P08s that were formerly unmarked Landjgerei LP08s (many 1918 DWM LP08s) that were reworked by the PTV in 1929-30 and reissued as P08s to the Landjgerei and other police. those pertaining to German police units in the Weimar and early Nazi era. Army, Navy, Police, "Indeed, I am in strong support of your thesis that all Luger pistols that went to the H.P contract were produced and delivered by DWM in 1929. The lower attachment of the left belt loop has been crudely reinforced with wire, probably while in service. Allenstein district. There are many possible combinations of The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. 355. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. (For more information, consult The Imperial German Any advise would be greatly appreciated. These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. ad[3]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; ----------------------------------------------------------- page 9 ----------------------------------------------------------. arms of this police force were a source of comflict with the IMKK, who In the organization of the police, disorder is of decisive importance for the regulation of the individual types of police, without which the reconstruction of this direction, which is so important for the state life, would have been a problem. be a very rare, late date for a second conversion of a WW1 artillery holster to a P.08 style, police unit marked holster. It has the matching last two digits of the serial number in the various other parts. 31. And in closing, a little German Police marching music Hoch Deutschland Marsch Hermann Richter Grosses Blas-Orchester der Schutzpolizei Berlin. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of Either the original placement of the holster body cleaning rod pouch/sleeve entrance lip was incredibly low, with the entrance lip being 46 m/m below the holster body spine edge entrance lip, requiring the addition of a 33 m/m length leather strip, raising the entrance to within 15 m/m of the holster body spine entrance lip. JavaScript is disabled. Regarding the S. H.133. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. Pictured is one such example with pattern likely dating from the Weimar period, identified as a German fire defense police belt buckle with a beautiful design emblem with the following inscription of: God to Honor ~ Neighbor to Defend. Chapter 4 3rd Reich Police Lugers Chapter 5 DDR Deutsche Volkspolizei (People's Police) Lugers a complete catalog of Police Luger Markings The book has . Please help me with identifying those markings. S.Al.II 1. collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the ad[0]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/germanmilitaria.jpg'; Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859, one of approximately 450 M1908 commercial P.08 Lugers appropriated by the Imperial German army as indicated by the installed sear safety, later assigned to the German NAZI Police per Imperial Lugers by J. Since these cut back LP08 holsters, at least in the Weimar era, had no provision for a spare magazine, the police officer carries a twin magazine pouch on his belt. by Igorak89 09 May 2016, 18:58, Post Each faded green soft cover Lehrbuch or text book was printed using the early offset printing process consisting of 231 pages of Weimar era Police "Guidelines". Interestingly, this example used the expected regulation police holster up-strap and stud closure. For my database of police markings, could you tell me the serial number of this pistol and whether or not it has sear and/or mag safeties? I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. Please report any errors to me. Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. Checkered walnut grips are not numbered. Take care and thanks for the quick response. Die moisten sind veraltet: andererseits sind in neuerer Zeit so viele Vorschriften hinzugetommem, gass es fr den Unfnger schwer ift, das Richtige herauszufinden. An identical pistol variation is aptly described, very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and. Thanks for the additional information. had its own police buckle. 1928 (Undated) "Riff" Berlin Mauser Rig (Police) SOLD. 1929 police luger markings on side plate and back of frame User Name: Remember Me? or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. links[6]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; The production outlet was 100 pistols a day during that time. HIPO as well as Gestapo had their informers. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. 19-130 text caption: A post-WW1 new manufactured police issue cleaning rod with soft-soldered stop for use with the Mndungsschoner for the P.08.These were issued to the police on a scale of one per pistol.Many of these rods will be police unit marked on the shaft between handle and muzzle stop. Article modified: Sunday, 7 July 2019. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." The corner of the grip was removed to allow the safety to function. Maybe it was a rework from the 20's or 30's. Based on the year 1924 the holster is most likely brown. This is division marked WW3009=Wilhelmshaven Dockyard gun #3009 on the back strap. Tim. Pw.B. You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. The serial number for the pistol is 4801 with a suffix of "t" which was mentioned as one of the possibilites by Ron. circumference edge, circular collar past the sight block/blade, Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster, the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked, the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner, Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s. SOLD - 1921 DWM Luger - Police Rework $1,950.00 Availability: Out of stock SKU 89661 - 15966 Next/Previous Description 6/4/21 - This is a nice example of a rare 1921-dated DWM Luger. Akah made commercial holsters in the 1920s and 1930s with some used by the Germen Polizei. Approximately 3,000 produced. Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, 19-130 pictures a cut-back LP.08 holster with a text caption, specifically and unequivocally, stating that the holster cleaning rod sleeve was modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop i.e., if a police cleaning rod with brass stopper wont fit the original cleaning rod sleeve, what difference would it make, dimensionally, to extend the length and not the diameter of the holster body leather cleaning rod sleeve? The L.Z.A. The holster conversion was similar to the below example 2 except that it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008, and fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. The word itself 'HIPO' is a shortening in German of HIlfs-POlizei (i.e. Luger wooden box cleaning kit. another cut-back Artillery to Police holster, An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size, of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. links[9]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; Police Luger ? Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied slides open to reveal five compartments containing: a folded, felt-like material cleaning rag. The TBLAP kit was made for rifles and pistols, whereas the subject kit was specifically made for pistols as indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. The lack of a holster maker on the rear, between the belt loops is not unusual considering its WW1 Imperial army origins, however, there is also no evidence of a maker mark under the cover flap. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 8 ----------------------------------------------------------. Still and as illustrated in a very rare 1930s Walther advertising brochure titled: WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung and an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Brief explanation of the Danish HIPO-organization (as the name is mentioned again and again): HIPO was a Danish corps, established 1944 by the German Gestapo, recruited among Danish traitors after, most of the Danish policemen on September 19th 1944 were arrested and sent to concentration camps in Germany. OK, now I'm getting confused again! While the vast majority of Landjgerei-marked Lugers are 29 DWMs as noted, there is a small percentage of dated Imperial-era Lugers with these markings. var links=new Array() This 1920 commercial Luger was manufactured from a rebuilt WWI military pistol and sold through an Argentinian retailer, leaving it with both Buenos Aries and German markings. Die neue Reichs= und die preusishe Bersassung haben bereits einige wichtige Orgnzungen ersahren: weitere Gestze sind in nachster Zeit zu erwarten. It is the Eagle/Mg10 stamping that requires explanation. Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles. This was removed and the hilt was shortened accordingly. view 2 and view 3. links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; On many Police Bayonets there are not only stamped numbers, but there were also letters proceeding the numbers that identified the city from where the bayonet was used during the Weimar period. However, no Police bayonets, in general, were issue items, so they would be more "service" items, rather than dress. links[0]='http://www.GermanMilitaria.com'; formed mostly from former servicemen. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:07, Post The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, A rank of 1,000,000 means the last copy sold approximately a month ago. This has all matching numbers except for the proper grips and concentric ring, wooden base . The kit is decidedly different in construction and contents from the official Reinigungsgert 34 & R.G.34 fr Kal. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. Collectors tend to err toward a variation. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: official guide for Prussian police officers. and Band II or Volume II published in 1921 Weimar Germany with the cover title: Das Lehrbuch fr die Polizeischulen or The textbook for the police schools. The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. 02-04-2013 08:55 PM by NoncomRetired. regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 Stay in the know. certain when the holster was modified, however, it was used by the German State Railway Protection Police, specifically the Bahnschutz or Bahnschutzpolizei All of this happened between 1912 and 1926. Versailles, and after repeated demands by the IMKK, on June 29, 1921, the Brown would be rural. The press scolded for its frequent use of "Roman characters" under "Jewish influence" and German migrs urged to use only "German script". 2. Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures. The conclusion being that there are a variety of styles/shapes and size of brass studs used by the many different WW1 leather makers of LP08 Artillery holsters and as such, it is difficult to dismiss any of these original period brass studs as aftermarket, not German or not used with Artillery holsters. Additionally, based on These unique Prussian State Police belt buckles are most often found in gold but have also been observed, as noted above, in this type of silver and were used during the Weimar Era and for a few years into the Nazi era until they were replaced with the standard police buckle with large swastika. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. As a matter of note the police cleaning rod could be used without the barrel attached muzzle protector. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Abtlg. The Treaty of Versailles (through the IMKK) restricted the size of Weimar I own a u suffix luger with a blank toggle. Helping Police). The new Additionally perplexing and unclear is the reason or purpose for a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! view 2 and Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet made by CARL EICKHORN SOLINGEN, It is pictured again as part of a grouping consisting of a period 1937 dated Police manual titled: 1937 PDV 3 Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster and a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." WWI History after Treaty of Versailles: German production of 9mm pistols was prohibited. Hard to find historic variation. III. Pictured is a 1941 dated OTTO SINDEL BERLIN police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1, police issue 7-inch new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. 5. 355. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. The right side of the slide has a weimar eagle with WaA66 below. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 The seller states that: It is said this marking was used to indicate issue to security guards at military installations. Die neue Polizii, welche grunstzlich fr den Uusendienst bestimmt und uniformiert ift, versieht nicht nur den allgemeinen Sicherheitsdienst, fondern hat auch fr die Frhaltung der Ordnung, Ruhe und Reinlichteit, fr die Bertehrsregelung, fr die uissere heilghaltung der Sonn= und Feiertage, das Gesangenentransportwesen und schlieslich fr die Beachtung der wirtschastsportwesen Grundstze Sorge zu tragen. My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. Reichs= und die preusishe Bersassung haben bereits einige wichtige Orgnzungen ersahren: weitere sind! Only partial pictures and contents from the official Reinigungsgert 34 & R.G.34 Kal. Paul Goldner Halle a. 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